This idea of creating the football only conferences already happened in the NW. Remember back in the mid 90's with the NFL (I think that is what it was called)
You had  three divisions and I can not remember who played whom but it was a district idea. How long did that last? 3 years?
 
Where I come from I see them trying the district plan then changing back to the other way!

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DKelly28

Mr_mike527


There are some legitimate complaints, but here's the truth:

If this was the proposal we currently used, and the WIAA proposed creating the Conferences, people would say "Are you kidding me?! That's the most ridiculous idea I've ever heard. Scheduling four non-conference games in a season for some teams? Schools with 800 kids playing against schools with 1800 kids? Three games in ten days? All just so we can have shorter travel times? This is absolutely nuts!"

While I think that my school is better off simply having Conference realignment instead (and at the Rice Lake meeting, people were pretty much told realignment is going to happen if the District proposal doesn't go through) of the district proposal, I fully support this proposal.

Yep. I don't understand why people don't get that even if the district plan fails, there will still be major realignment anyways?

As long as they leave the "unbroken conferences" alone as much as possible, I'm all for that.

But what constitutes an "unbroken conference"? Let's say Rice Lake and Ashland decide to join the Middle Border. You could argue the Middle Border isn't currently a "broken conference," but a realignment would definitely influence them--and in fact, probably in almost the exact same way as the District Proposal would.

If there's a "broken" Conference anywhere in your area, your Conference has to be considered broken too. And the advantage to this District proposal is that no Conferences should ever "break" again.

The district Marquette would be in would be "broken", the district with Homestead and Arrowhead and the bunch would be "broken", the districts in the north with ridiculous travel times would be "broken", the district with BCC would be "broken", and those are just the ones I know of from what people have posted here, I haven't even looked at the whole state. This proposal simply shifts the "broken" areas from a small minority of conferences to districts across the entire state.

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DKelly28

Mr_mike527


There are some legitimate complaints, but here's the truth:

If this was the proposal we currently used, and the WIAA proposed creating the Conferences, people would say "Are you kidding me?! That's the most ridiculous idea I've ever heard. Scheduling four non-conference games in a season for some teams? Schools with 800 kids playing against schools with 1800 kids? Three games in ten days? All just so we can have shorter travel times? This is absolutely nuts!"

While I think that my school is better off simply having Conference realignment instead (and at the Rice Lake meeting, people were pretty much told realignment is going to happen if the District proposal doesn't go through) of the district proposal, I fully support this proposal.

Yep. I don't understand why people don't get that even if the district plan fails, there will still be major realignment anyways?

It seems like everyone keeps using the term "major realignment" as if it's the worst thing in the world yet I have no idea what "major realignment" is. Can anyone give any examples of what schools would be moved by this "major realignment"? Does anyone have a list of proposed conferences if the district plan fails?  In the Southeast, Fox Valley and GB regions I just don't see that many major changes if the district plan fails. The realignment seems to be more for the northern and western parts of the state.

details ? details? details ?

We don't need no stickin details. 

On a serious note, I could see Rice Lake joining the MBC and perhaps Prescott doing to the DSC ?

  Seat belts are not as confining as wheelchairs.

To anyone who thinks the WIAA proposal is good, just check out the driving distances for West Bend East and West. According to Mapquest, the longest trip for their current conference (Wisconsin Little Ten) is Oconomowoc at about 40 miles. If you look at their proposed district, the closest game would be around 80 miles (Menasha) while the Green Bay area schools are about 100 miles. I know some schools up north have it much worse, but the idea that your current longest drive is only half of your proposed shortest drive just strikes me as completely idiotic! I understand that the district proposal is about fairness but does anyone think that West Bend and Green Bay schools should be in the same conference? Is the excessive travel time really worth a couple of smaller schools making the playoffs? There must be a better way to realign a couple of conferences to make everyone happy.
 
PS: If West Bend really hates this stupid proposal, they might just merge and go D1. I am sure Kimberly would like this as they would drop to D2. The merger is already on the table in West Bend as the district has finance problems.

This ridiculous travel is something that I have been hammering from day one.
I'd love to see the WIAA have meetings now as the impact seems more widespread.
The real kicker is that there will be no membership vote on it.
Maybe at some later date, a comparison can be put together again.    

  Seat belts are not as confining as wheelchairs.

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This ridiculous travel is something that I have been hammering from day one.
I'd love to see the WIAA have meetings now as the impact seems more widespread.
The real kicker is that there will be no membership vote on it.
Maybe at some later date, a comparison can be put together again.    

You keep clamoring that the WIAA is just going to go ahead 100% after these meetings are done and there's no signs at all that they are planning on doing that. Everything I've read has indicated that they are planing a vote so just chill a bit.

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DKelly28

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This ridiculous travel is something that I have been hammering from day one.
I'd love to see the WIAA have meetings now as the impact seems more widespread.
The real kicker is that there will be no membership vote on it.
Maybe at some later date, a comparison can be put together again.    

You keep clamoring that the WIAA is just going to go ahead 100% after these meetings are done and there's no signs at all that they are planning on doing that. Everything I've read has indicated that they are planing a vote so just chill a bit.

Derick, NOWHERE has there ever been any indication that there will be a member vote on the district proposal. A FAN contacted a Board of Control member who told him directly that there would be no vote as it is considered a conference realignment issue, which does not require a vote. Furthermore, if you read the release that came out today, there is NO mention of a member vote. The timeline included in that release shows several committee discussions and a Board of Control final vote on January 27.

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DKelly28

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This ridiculous travel is something that I have been hammering from day one.
I'd love to see the WIAA have meetings now as the impact seems more widespread.
The real kicker is that there will be no membership vote on it.
Maybe at some later date, a comparison can be put together again.    

You keep clamoring that the WIAA is just going to go ahead 100% after these meetings are done and there's no signs at all that they are planning on doing that. Everything I've read has indicated that they are planing a vote so just chill a bit.

Derick, NOWHERE has there ever been any indication that there will be a member vote on the district proposal. A FAN contacted a Board of Control member who told him directly that there would be no vote as it is considered a conference realignment issue, which does not require a vote. Furthermore, if you read the release that came out today, there is NO mention of a member vote. The timeline included in that release shows several committee discussions and a Board of Control final vote on January 27.

I'm with Travis on this. I have not seen anything by the WIAA that has mentioned a member vote on this. If you have seen something that indicates anything other than a BOC vote, please share it with the rest of us.

DKelly28

a fan


This ridiculous travel is something that I have been hammering from day one.
I'd love to see the WIAA have meetings now as the impact seems more widespread.
The real kicker is that there will be no membership vote on it.
Maybe at some later date, a comparison can be put together again.    

You keep clamoring that the WIAA is just going to go ahead 100% after these meetings are done and there's no signs at all that they are planning on doing that. Everything I've read has indicated that they are planing a vote so just chill a bit.

Lets see what you are reading.
There will be 4 different votes this winter and spring.
None of them will be the WIAA membership as a group.
Count on it. I wondered myself as and asked a BOC member.
It's considered realignment. Thus no vote. If you can prove differently
I would love to see it as I do not think this would pass a statewide vote. 

  Seat belts are not as confining as wheelchairs.

a fan

DKelly28

a fan


This ridiculous travel is something that I have been hammering from day one.
I'd love to see the WIAA have meetings now as the impact seems more widespread.
The real kicker is that there will be no membership vote on it.
Maybe at some later date, a comparison can be put together again.    

You keep clamoring that the WIAA is just going to go ahead 100% after these meetings are done and there's no signs at all that they are planning on doing that. Everything I've read has indicated that they are planing a vote so just chill a bit.

Lets see what you are reading.
There will be 4 different votes this winter and spring.
None of them will be the WIAA membership as a group.
Count on it. I wondered myself as and asked a BOC member.
It's considered realignment. Thus no vote. If you can prove differently
I would love to see it as I do not think this would pass a statewide vote. 

 

This may be able to be implemented as a "conference realignment" to form the districts as the "conferences" but wouldn't the complete change of how the playoff structure works (top 4 from each district instead of above .500 (I know it generally happens this way but you can look at the standings this year and there are 8 team conferences with 5 teams in the field and others with 3)) and the schedule losing 3 games in 10 days be much more than a simple "conference realignment" and require a membership vote?

  I'm not in favor of abolishing conferences, but this proposal is better for Marawood / Cloverwood/Cloverbelt teams then the last one. Driving is shorter for sure not sure about the rest of the state. Interesting though Hurley and Edgar in same district.  Hurley,are they U,S or Canada up there?

I'm with you on this one - I can't believe they are basically taking Marshfield - 2hrs to New Richmond - River Falls - La Crosse (THREE TIMES) and Holmen.  1-3/4 hrs to Menomonie - Tomah is a mere 1-1/4 hrs - RIDICULOUS!!!! 

New Richmond is 2-1/2 hrs

Originally I thought that if the new proposal passed with a majority of the membership vote I would be ok with it.  If the WIAA uses this as "realignment" and no vote besides the BOC, I could see a lawsuit happening. 
 
What I see that we need to to do is fight the control the WIAA has over high school sports.  I think we might need to have elections, not based on seniority, to decide the best scenarios for high school football. 
 
Of course there is one solution to take care of all of this...  Decide on regional groups, include every team, and vote on seeds like every other high school sport.  Yeah there will be blowouts but that happens every year anyway in every other sport.  Why should it be different in football?  It's not like a D1 school would play a D7 school like Indiana basketball.