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thebillwaltontrip
#1 Posted : Thursday, August 09, 2012 9:25:02 PM(UTC)
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Lakers - Acquire Dwight Howard
76ers - Acquire Andrew Bynum, Jason Richardson
Nuggets - Acquire Andre Iguodala
Magic - Acquire Al Harrington, Moe Harkless, Aaron Afflalo, Euro Scrub from 76ers

WOW the Lakers were said to be giving up Gasol in the initial reports but were able to keep him in the final trade. Nash, Kobe, Gasol, and Howard on the same team...VETO THAT, David Stern!
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#2 Posted : Thursday, August 09, 2012 9:27:24 PM(UTC)

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Plus Orlando gets a first founder from the others
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#3 Posted : Thursday, August 09, 2012 9:30:58 PM(UTC)
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The Lakers roster is so stacked right now, they could win 90 games in an 82 game season.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, August 09, 2012 9:33:11 PM(UTC)

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This is one trade I wish was vetoed. I just despise Kobe so much that it literally tastes like crap coming out of my mouth.
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wlhssuperjake08 wrote:
This is one trade I wish was vetoed. I just despise Kobe so much that it literally tastes like crap coming out of my mouth.


Much like he did with Shaq and Gasol in year's past, Kobe now gets to lead TWO perennial losers to championship horizons in Nash & Howard. Oh, the humanity!
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#6 Posted : Thursday, August 09, 2012 9:43:55 PM(UTC)

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thebillwaltontrip wrote:
wlhssuperjake08 wrote:
This is one trade I wish was vetoed. I just despise Kobe so much that it literally tastes like crap coming out of my mouth.


Much like he did with Shaq and Gasol in year's past, Kobe now gets to lead TWO perennial losers to championship horizons in Nash & Howard. Oh, the humanity!


Ehh, Kobe might be leading these guys to an AARP convention before any championships.

The window for this group is gonna be very, very small...like this year.
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I think this trade makes LA better than last year for sure, but how much better is the question. As the Olympics have shown us, Kobe is declining both offensively and defensively. He is still a good player but not a great player. Howard is a below average passer from the post, has average at best post moves, and is obviously a very poor free throw shooter. How this guy didn't average 28-30 ppg in Orlando with the mediocrity surrounding him is unbelievable. He will help the Lakers defensively of course, but other than him, both Gasol and Nash are below average defenders. Kobe is slightly above average but nothing special anymore, and who knows what they get from Metta World Peace both offensively and defensively.

Once Howard gets into his ball stopping ways, I think Kobe and him will be at odds about the offense, especially with Mike Brown as the coach. During the regular season I expect the Lakers to cruise to a 58-62 win season as long as everyone stays relatively healthy and through the 1st 2 rounds of the playoffs. They will have a difficult time in the WCF/NBA Finals if they make it because they still don't have a bench. I think OKC will still be a very difficult matchup as they don't have anybody that can guard Durant or Westbrook but I do think that series goes 7. If LA and Miami make it to the NBA finals, I would take the Heat in 5 as the Lakers would get decimated by Miami's small ball. Obviously still way to early but the match ups now would be Nash vs Chalmers, Wade vs Kobe, Metta vs Battier or Allen, Bosh vs Gasol, and LeBron vs DHoward. You could say that Howard vs LeBron matchup should massively favor LA except for the fact that Howard still doesn't have any post moves. The Lakers would probably have to zone Miami, but again, LeBron would tear that apart.

In saying that, it was a trade the Lakers had to do, as this puts them in title contention for probably 2 more years. Unfortunately for LA, they still don't have enough to take down LeBron and the Heat, barring injuries. I also believe that Howard will resign with LA after this year.
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#8 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 12:08:14 AM(UTC)

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Love it for Denver, good for Philly, terrible for Orlando....don't care about the Lakers, because I hate them.

Lawson, Iggy, Chandler, Faried, McGee with Gallo, Birdman, Brewer, Miller, Jordan Hamilton and Anthony Randolph off the bench. That's a sweet team.

Philly's got some tweaking of their roster to do. Probably should've kept Brand now that he would be a good fit for the team. But you can't turn down taking Bynum, 2nd best center in the league. Problem is, they JUST re-signed Spencer Hawes. Awkward.

I have NO clue what Orlando is doing. They have a lot of middling contracts. They're looking at Nelson, Afflalo, Hedo, Glen Davis, Vucevic starting and Moe Harkless, JJ Redick, Al Harrington, Quentin Richardson, Gustavo Ayon and Andrew Nicholson off the bench.
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How did Orlando end up doing this deal and not the deal with Houston where Morey was reportedly willing to give them anything they wanted?
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#10 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 8:37:00 AM(UTC)

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The only piece I like that Orlando gets is Harkless.

Redick might lead the East in scoring this year though, so that'll be cool.
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The Lakers are going to be really good.

If they can stay healthy, it will be fun to watch.
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#12 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 10:58:06 AM(UTC)
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People act like the Thunder were a total mismatch for the Lakers last year in the playoffs and that simply wasn't the case. The Lakers were in very good position to be up 3-1 in that series but let some games slip away at the end. Those games will not be given away next season because Nash will be keeping the offense going instead of Ramon Sessions. He bogged them down late in games in that series something ridiculous.

And as for the Lakers not having enough to get past Miami...really?! Dwight has absolutely punished the Heat inside, especially on the boards, the past 2 seasons and gives a much more consistent effort and takes far more pride in protecting the rim than Andrew Bynum ever did. He and Gasol will own the boards against Miami inside. Miami ran into some very fortunate luck last season with several key players in the East either being out or being slowed significantly due to injuries come playoff time. Boston and New York are going to offer them tough tests, as both are much improved and deeper than last season.
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People act like the Thunder were a total mismatch for the Lakers last year in the playoffs and that simply wasn't the case. The Lakers were in very good position to be up 3-1 in that series but let some games slip away at the end. Those games will not be given away next season because Nash will be keeping the offense going instead of Ramon Sessions. He bogged them down late in games in that series something ridiculous.

And as for the Lakers not having enough to get past Miami...really?! Dwight has absolutely punished the Heat inside, especially on the boards, the past 2 seasons and gives a much more consistent effort and takes far more pride in protecting the rim than Andrew Bynum ever did. He and Gasol will own the boards against Miami inside. Miami ran into some very fortunate luck last season with several key players in the East either being out or being slowed significantly due to injuries come playoff time. Boston and New York are going to offer them tough tests, as both are much improved and deeper than last season.


Yup, you're right, the Heat didn't run into any of these issues themselves except for Bosh missing what equals to 10 games, Wade playing at 70-75% for the playoffs, and Mike Miller playing at 50% in the ECF and Finals.
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You tell me what was more flukish...Wade and Bosh milking ******foot injuries like they do every year or 3 of the best players on contending teams blowing out their knees. When is the last time anybody in the NBA blew out their knee in the playoffs, let alone 3 guys in the same year?

And Ray Allen, who was slowed significantly last season because his ankles have been rendered to peanut brittle over the years, is now going to be Miami's go-to guy off the bench. And, seeing as Wade and Bosh are two of the softest, most fragile players in the league, I guarantee there is 100% chance both will be hobbling into the playoffs next season with some "catastrophic" injury as they always do. Funny how after playing like garbage for 2 series in a row that all of the sudden it was revealed that Wade was "hurt" and that was the reason for his poor, inconsistent play.

And did you really bring up Mike Miller? That guy is the popcorn vendor, the Luke Walton, on virtually any other team in the league. Fortunately for him Miami loaded up their roster payroll on 3 players and needed to surround them with 1 dimensional scrubs who were willing to play for the NBA equivalent of foodstamps just to be on a roster because nobody else wanted them.
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It's funny reading MBC2K4 make excuses now that LeBron has a ring....
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It's funny reading MBC2K4 make excuses now that LeBron has a ring....


I actually don't mind LeBron now, he appears to be taking things much more seriously than 3-5 years ago when acting like a cartoon character seemed to be his #1 priority. "Mean" LeBron is bad news for everybody & a joy to watch.

Just sick of Wade & his flopping, diva-like antics that have grown exponentially these past 2 years. The guy misses a shot and is turning to cry to the refs before yo.u can blink an eye...he has 2 or 3 poor games in a row, and all of the sudden he has some injury. I really wish somebody pulls a page from Batum's playbook from the France/Spain game from the Olympic quarterfinals and gives him something TO FLOP ABOUT this season.
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Love it for Denver, good for Philly, terrible for Orlando....don't care about the Lakers, because I hate them.

Lawson, Iggy, Chandler, Faried, McGee with Gallo, Birdman, Brewer, Miller, Jordan Hamilton and Anthony Randolph off the bench. That's a sweet team.

Philly's got some tweaking of their roster to do. Probably should've kept Brand now that he would be a good fit for the team. But you can't turn down taking Bynum, 2nd best center in the league. Problem is, they JUST re-signed Spencer Hawes. Awkward.

I have NO clue what Orlando is doing. They have a lot of middling contracts. They're looking at Nelson, Afflalo, Hedo, Glen Davis, Vucevic starting and Moe Harkless, JJ Redick, Al Harrington, Quentin Richardson, Gustavo Ayon and Andrew Nicholson off the bench.

Orlando has basically committed to rebuilding by getting rid of Howard and Jason Richardson...they had their hands tied by Howard and had to take what they could...I'm betting that Howard may have even threatened to not report or maybe sit out the year...living here in Orlando, I can tell you that 99% of the fan base was fed up with the whole situation...He broke the camel's back when he didn't even show up for HIS bb camp...as for the starting line, boy I'm glad you aren't the Magic's coach cause there is no way I do not start Al Harrington...plus Hedo maybe gone before the season is started as well...the Magic may just give him away for pocket change...I am expecting a long and painful season here in Orlando.
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#18 Posted : Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:15:48 AM(UTC)
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cameroncrazies02 wrote:
Love it for Denver, good for Philly, terrible for Orlando....don't care about the Lakers, because I hate them.

Lawson, Iggy, Chandler, Faried, McGee with Gallo, Birdman, Brewer, Miller, Jordan Hamilton and Anthony Randolph off the bench. That's a sweet team.

Philly's got some tweaking of their roster to do. Probably should've kept Brand now that he would be a good fit for the team. But you can't turn down taking Bynum, 2nd best center in the league. Problem is, they JUST re-signed Spencer Hawes. Awkward.

I have NO clue what Orlando is doing. They have a lot of middling contracts. They're looking at Nelson, Afflalo, Hedo, Glen Davis, Vucevic starting and Moe Harkless, JJ Redick, Al Harrington, Quentin Richardson, Gustavo Ayon and Andrew Nicholson off the bench.

Orlando has basically committed to rebuilding by getting rid of Howard and Jason Richardson...they had their hands tied by Howard and had to take what they could...I'm betting that Howard may have even threatened to not report or maybe sit out the year...living here in Orlando, I can tell you that 99% of the fan base was fed up with the whole situation...He broke the camel's back when he didn't even show up for HIS bb camp...as for the starting line, boy I'm glad you aren't the Magic's coach cause there is no way I do not start Al Harrington...plus Hedo maybe gone before the season is started as well...the Magic may just give him away for pocket change...I am expecting a long and painful season here in Orlando.


It just makes no sense that the Magic turned down multiple offers that included better players and ditching the Hedo contract for this garbage.
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mrmike527 wrote:
altstu2 wrote:
cameroncrazies02 wrote:
Love it for Denver, good for Philly, terrible for Orlando....don't care about the Lakers, because I hate them.

Lawson, Iggy, Chandler, Faried, McGee with Gallo, Birdman, Brewer, Miller, Jordan Hamilton and Anthony Randolph off the bench. That's a sweet team.

Philly's got some tweaking of their roster to do. Probably should've kept Brand now that he would be a good fit for the team. But you can't turn down taking Bynum, 2nd best center in the league. Problem is, they JUST re-signed Spencer Hawes. Awkward.

I have NO clue what Orlando is doing. They have a lot of middling contracts. They're looking at Nelson, Afflalo, Hedo, Glen Davis, Vucevic starting and Moe Harkless, JJ Redick, Al Harrington, Quentin Richardson, Gustavo Ayon and Andrew Nicholson off the bench.

Orlando has basically committed to rebuilding by getting rid of Howard and Jason Richardson...they had their hands tied by Howard and had to take what they could...I'm betting that Howard may have even threatened to not report or maybe sit out the year...living here in Orlando, I can tell you that 99% of the fan base was fed up with the whole situation...He broke the camel's back when he didn't even show up for HIS bb camp...as for the starting line, boy I'm glad you aren't the Magic's coach cause there is no way I do not start Al Harrington...plus Hedo maybe gone before the season is started as well...the Magic may just give him away for pocket change...I am expecting a long and painful season here in Orlando.


It just makes no sense that the Magic turned down multiple offers that included better players and ditching the Hedo contract for this garbage.

those offers may have seemed good, but Dwight was most definitely calling most of the shots here...of course he will deny it
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#20 Posted : Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:29:55 PM(UTC)

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Lakers sign G Jodie Meeks to 2 yr deal, likely for minimum.

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Need some help yet in the front court. Someone like Lou Amundson or that type of player would be a great addition. I think the PT break down leaves Blake, Morris, Goudelock and either Ebanks or Clark out of the rotation. They could definitely use a more serviceable 3 though, because they can't really 'go small' with Kobe at the 3 playing Nash and Meeks or Nash and Duhon at 1 and 2.
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altstu2 wrote:
mrmike527 wrote:
altstu2 wrote:
cameroncrazies02 wrote:
Love it for Denver, good for Philly, terrible for Orlando....don't care about the Lakers, because I hate them.

Lawson, Iggy, Chandler, Faried, McGee with Gallo, Birdman, Brewer, Miller, Jordan Hamilton and Anthony Randolph off the bench. That's a sweet team.

Philly's got some tweaking of their roster to do. Probably should've kept Brand now that he would be a good fit for the team. But you can't turn down taking Bynum, 2nd best center in the league. Problem is, they JUST re-signed Spencer Hawes. Awkward.

I have NO clue what Orlando is doing. They have a lot of middling contracts. They're looking at Nelson, Afflalo, Hedo, Glen Davis, Vucevic starting and Moe Harkless, JJ Redick, Al Harrington, Quentin Richardson, Gustavo Ayon and Andrew Nicholson off the bench.

Orlando has basically committed to rebuilding by getting rid of Howard and Jason Richardson...they had their hands tied by Howard and had to take what they could...I'm betting that Howard may have even threatened to not report or maybe sit out the year...living here in Orlando, I can tell you that 99% of the fan base was fed up with the whole situation...He broke the camel's back when he didn't even show up for HIS bb camp...as for the starting line, boy I'm glad you aren't the Magic's coach cause there is no way I do not start Al Harrington...plus Hedo maybe gone before the season is started as well...the Magic may just give him away for pocket change...I am expecting a long and painful season here in Orlando.


It just makes no sense that the Magic turned down multiple offers that included better players and ditching the Hedo contract for this garbage.

those offers may have seemed good, but Dwight was most definitely calling most of the shots here...of course he will deny it


I don't understand how that is a rational excuse. Houston admitted that they didn't care whether Howard wanted to go there, they'd still trade for him and take their chances that he'd want to stick around.
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altstu2 wrote:
mrmike527 wrote:
altstu2 wrote:
cameroncrazies02 wrote:
Love it for Denver, good for Philly, terrible for Orlando....don't care about the Lakers, because I hate them.

Lawson, Iggy, Chandler, Faried, McGee with Gallo, Birdman, Brewer, Miller, Jordan Hamilton and Anthony Randolph off the bench. That's a sweet team.

Philly's got some tweaking of their roster to do. Probably should've kept Brand now that he would be a good fit for the team. But you can't turn down taking Bynum, 2nd best center in the league. Problem is, they JUST re-signed Spencer Hawes. Awkward.

I have NO clue what Orlando is doing. They have a lot of middling contracts. They're looking at Nelson, Afflalo, Hedo, Glen Davis, Vucevic starting and Moe Harkless, JJ Redick, Al Harrington, Quentin Richardson, Gustavo Ayon and Andrew Nicholson off the bench.

Orlando has basically committed to rebuilding by getting rid of Howard and Jason Richardson...they had their hands tied by Howard and had to take what they could...I'm betting that Howard may have even threatened to not report or maybe sit out the year...living here in Orlando, I can tell you that 99% of the fan base was fed up with the whole situation...He broke the camel's back when he didn't even show up for HIS bb camp...as for the starting line, boy I'm glad you aren't the Magic's coach cause there is no way I do not start Al Harrington...plus Hedo maybe gone before the season is started as well...the Magic may just give him away for pocket change...I am expecting a long and painful season here in Orlando.


It just makes no sense that the Magic turned down multiple offers that included better players and ditching the Hedo contract for this garbage.

those offers may have seemed good, but Dwight was most definitely calling most of the shots here...of course he will deny it


I don't understand how that is a rational excuse. Houston admitted that they didn't care whether Howard wanted to go there, they'd still trade for him and take their chances that he'd want to stick around.

Dwight did NOT want to go there...no matter what you think about the whole situation, it was in the Magic's best interest to send him to a team he wanted to be with...they may want to sign free-agents sometime and by treating their players(even the ones who don't want to be in Orlando anymore) with a little respect goes along way
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is anyone else worried about this Laker crew going the same way 2004 did??
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:55:08 AM(UTC)

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is anyone else worried about this Laker crew going the same way 2004 did??


Well...

Howard = Shaq
Gasol > Malone (if he plays like he did for Spain this summer)
Nash > Payton (Nash game is less dependent on athleticism than Payton's was)
12 Kobe < 04 Kobe
12 Bench = 04 Bench (This years bench could be better, but they could also lay an egg)
Brown < Jackson

I think Nash is a better team mate than Payton, and will be more valuable from that standpoint.

Kobe won't be feuding with anyone like in 04.

Howard has the maturity of 14 year old girl on facebook, so that could end up hurting them.

Gasol, if healthy will be the key. Malone only played 42 games in 04 and was a broken down old man when he was playing anyway. If Gasol plays like he did this summer, the Lakers will beast.

Kobe is much less gifted, but a much more mature and smarter player this time around.

They are coached by Mike Brown though, that is a huge minus.

All in all, I think this team will be less disappointing than 04. Even if things do go wrong.

Big odds on Mike Brown getting fired though.
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is anyone else worried about this Laker crew going the same way 2004 did??


Well...

Howard = Shaq
Gasol > Malone (if he plays like he did for Spain this summer)
Nash > Payton (Nash game is less dependent on athleticism than Payton's was)
12 Kobe < 04 Kobe
12 Bench = 04 Bench (This years bench could be better, but they could also lay an egg)
Brown < Jackson

I think Nash is a better team mate than Payton, and will be more valuable from that standpoint.

Kobe won't be feuding with anyone like in 04.

Howard has the maturity of 14 year old girl on facebook, so that could end up hurting them.

Gasol, if healthy will be the key. Malone only played 42 games in 04 and was a broken down old man when he was playing anyway. If Gasol plays like he did this summer, the Lakers will beast.

Kobe is much less gifted, but a much more mature and smarter player this time around.

They are coached by Mike Brown though, that is a huge minus.

All in all, I think this team will be less disappointing than 04. Even if things do go wrong.

Big odds on Mike Brown getting fired though.

properly motivated Howard can be scary...however when he is poorly coached...it can be terminal for the coach...I doubt the Lakers will bring Patrick Ewing in to mentor him...but maybe Kareem will step in
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