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#1 Posted : Tuesday, August 07, 2012 4:57:13 PM(UTC)
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:13:18 AM(UTC)
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This isn't based off extensive research, just my basic knowledge of program strength and returning players. Things will be a lot different, as Bloomer lost nearly all their starters, Cumberland lost some stud athletes, and Spooner returns a program with a ton of players, but seem relatively unproven as a lot of their seniors last year did a lot.

1. Barron - Best qb in the conference, with some weapons.
2. Spooner -Have depth, and their head coach has built the program up the last few years.
3. Bloomer - program strength, and always have good number.
4. Cumberland - 2nd best qb returning, but don't know what he has surrounding him.
5. Northwestern - Always have numbers and good staff.
6. Ladysmith - 3 good backs returning, a new coaching staff, and a young qb with a solid arm coming up. They seriously lack numbers though and their program is definitely going south with a huge lack of commitment.
7. Hayward - never fail to produce numbers in their program, but their dang offense is never going to get them over the hump. They need to switch up that wishbone to fit the athletes in their program. The biggest school in the conference and yet they have been near the bottom the last few years. Adjustment = good coaching which I think they have been lacking.
8. Chetek - They will show improvement and could surprise some people.

I could be very wrong about these, particularly picking Spooner so high, but adjustments can be made once a few games are played.


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#3 Posted : Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:25:56 PM(UTC)
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1Bloomer
2 Northwestern
3.Barron
4.Spooner
5.Cumberland
6.Hayward
7.Chetek
8. Ladysmith
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#4 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 1:22:51 PM(UTC)
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1. Bloomer
2. Northwestern
3. Spooner
4. Barron
5. Hayward
6. Cumberland
7. Ladysmith
8. Chetek

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#5 Posted : Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:30:24 AM(UTC)
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speedmbc wrote:
1. Bloomer
2. Northwestern
3. Spooner
4. Barron
5. Hayward
6. Cumberland
7. Ladysmith
8. Chetek


I agree with this for the most part. the top 3-4 picks here are kind of up in the air. Bloomer and Northwestern usually replace, not rebuild. Spooner is overcoming their rebuilding years and have a foundation. Barron's roster is again depeleted, much like Ladysmith but return enough starters from last year to do some damage. Hayward always has numbers, but a boneheaded offense, the wishbone, haha. Hayward from my experience does lose some good lineman after a dismal season last year so that could hurt. Cumberland returns a very talented qb, but lost many pieces and lineman around him. Ladysmith's program has revamped their coaching staff, and return 3 very solid backs. Their line is untested, and unproven. Chetek is Chetek. I think they have some decent juniors this season though. I'm not picking the conference yet, just elaborating this aforementioned post. This is why they play the games.

I think we might have to call in our friend here, Mr. BHSBlackhawks for some further analysis. BHS, where are you?!
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#6 Posted : Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:43:16 AM(UTC)
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elsmith4 wrote:
speedmbc wrote:
1. Bloomer
2. Northwestern
3. Spooner
4. Barron
5. Hayward
6. Cumberland
7. Ladysmith
8. Chetek


I agree with this for the most part. the top 3-4 picks here are kind of up in the air. Bloomer and Northwestern usually replace, not rebuild. Spooner is overcoming their rebuilding years and have a foundation. Barron's roster is again depeleted, much like Ladysmith but return enough starters from last year to do some damage. Hayward always has numbers, but a boneheaded offense, the wishbone, haha. Hayward from my experience does lose some good lineman after a dismal season last year so that could hurt. Cumberland returns a very talented qb, but lost many pieces and lineman around him. Ladysmith's program has revamped their coaching staff, and return 3 very solid backs. Their line is untested, and unproven. Chetek is Chetek. I think they have some decent juniors this season though. I'm not picking the conference yet, just elaborating this aforementioned post. This is why they play the games.

I think we might have to call in our friend here, Mr. BHSBlackhawks for some further analysis. BHS, where are you?!

I don't know enough about what teams have returning to do any serious picks. Honestly, I'm kind of surprised that pretty much everyone has picked Bloomer at the top. I expect them to have a good team, but they have a long way to go at this point of the season. The question for Bloomer is how quickly the young guys figure it out and get used to the speed on the varsity level. They open against Somerset, so that will be a good test. They'll have to figure it out quickly if they want to have a chance in that game, as Somerset should have a really solid team. Basically, Bloomer has a lot of potential this year with a lot of good athletes, but they'll be extremely young and unproven. I could see them being a lot like 2 years ago (the '10-'11 season, my senior year for those of you that remember me playing).
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#7 Posted : Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:53:51 PM(UTC)
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The year you beat Somerset! Hard to forget.
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#8 Posted : Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:55:16 PM(UTC)
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The year you beat Somerset! Hard to forget.

I'm assuming you're from Somerset? That was a really fun game (not just because we won, either). If it makes you feel better, you guys beat us in the playoffs my junior year. I remember that one pretty well...
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#9 Posted : Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:20:07 AM(UTC)
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It's good Football. A great game to get an accurate gauge of where you sit and can expect.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:37:35 AM(UTC)
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fb2010 wrote:
This isn't based off extensive research, just my basic knowledge of program strength and returning players. Things will be a lot different, as Bloomer lost nearly all their starters, Cumberland lost some stud athletes, and Spooner returns a program with a ton of players, but seem relatively unproven as a lot of their seniors last year did a lot.

1. Barron - Best qb in the conference, with some weapons.
2. Spooner -Have depth, and their head coach has built the program up the last few years.
3. Bloomer - program strength, and always have good number.
4. Cumberland - 2nd best qb returning, but don't know what he has surrounding him.
5. Northwestern - Always have numbers and good staff.
6. Ladysmith - 3 good backs returning, a new coaching staff, and a young qb with a solid arm coming up. They seriously lack numbers though and their program is definitely going south with a huge lack of commitment.
7. Hayward - never fail to produce numbers in their program, but their dang offense is never going to get them over the hump. They need to switch up that wishbone to fit the athletes in their program. The biggest school in the conference and yet they have been near the bottom the last few years. Adjustment = good coaching which I think they have been lacking.
8. Chetek - They will show improvement and could surprise some people.

I could be very wrong about these, particularly picking Spooner so high, but adjustments can be made once a few games are played.



I just don't see how you can choose Barron to win the league over very physical teams like Spooner, Bloomer, and Northwestern. Barron is not known for playing well against teams like that. I just don't see it happening.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:39:21 AM(UTC)
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Bloomer
Spooner
Northwestern
Ladysmith
Barron
Hayward
Cumberland
Chetek
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#12 Posted : Monday, August 13, 2012 7:41:51 AM(UTC)
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waterproof0 wrote:
fb2010 wrote:
This isn't based off extensive research, just my basic knowledge of program strength and returning players. Things will be a lot different, as Bloomer lost nearly all their starters, Cumberland lost some stud athletes, and Spooner returns a program with a ton of players, but seem relatively unproven as a lot of their seniors last year did a lot.

1. Barron - Best qb in the conference, with some weapons.
2. Spooner -Have depth, and their head coach has built the program up the last few years.
3. Bloomer - program strength, and always have good number.
4. Cumberland - 2nd best qb returning, but don't know what he has surrounding him.
5. Northwestern - Always have numbers and good staff.
6. Ladysmith - 3 good backs returning, a new coaching staff, and a young qb with a solid arm coming up. They seriously lack numbers though and their program is definitely going south with a huge lack of commitment.
7. Hayward - never fail to produce numbers in their program, but their dang offense is never going to get them over the hump. They need to switch up that wishbone to fit the athletes in their program. The biggest school in the conference and yet they have been near the bottom the last few years. Adjustment = good coaching which I think they have been lacking.
8. Chetek - They will show improvement and could surprise some people.

I could be very wrong about these, particularly picking Spooner so high, but adjustments can be made once a few games are played.



I just don't see how you can choose Barron to win the league over very physical teams like Spooner, Bloomer, and Northwestern. Barron is not known for playing well against teams like that. I just don't see it happening.

It's a prediction. Pre = before, while diction = choice of words. I'm assuming he thought that Barron had a more succesful season last season and return some athletes that can get the job done. Didn't Barron pass all over Northwestern last year, and score like 40 + points or something? Bloomer and Northwestern are always physical yes, but Bloomer is losing 9 defensive starters like that or something. It's a tentative conclusion, and that's why the games are played. Two weeks of games can change opinions and the way seasons go.

Also, I remember my friends who are seniors this year tell me that Barron's senior class this year has just dominated in sports over the past. There is always years where this happens. Last year it happened to be Bloomer. This year is up for grabs, but Barron seems like a logical pick considering the athletes returning.
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#13 Posted : Monday, August 13, 2012 10:20:06 AM(UTC)
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The only problem with picking Barron is that they once again have almost no depth (correct me if I'm wrong). It's tough to win a conference championship when you only have 30 guys in your program. I do think (and hope) that Barron continues to improve their program, but I think they're still a couple years out, as far as competing for the top spot is concerned.
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#14 Posted : Monday, August 13, 2012 1:25:49 PM(UTC)
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elsmith4 wrote:
waterproof0 wrote:
fb2010 wrote:
This isn't based off extensive research, just my basic knowledge of program strength and returning players. Things will be a lot different, as Bloomer lost nearly all their starters, Cumberland lost some stud athletes, and Spooner returns a program with a ton of players, but seem relatively unproven as a lot of their seniors last year did a lot.

1. Barron - Best qb in the conference, with some weapons.
2. Spooner -Have depth, and their head coach has built the program up the last few years.
3. Bloomer - program strength, and always have good number.
4. Cumberland - 2nd best qb returning, but don't know what he has surrounding him.
5. Northwestern - Always have numbers and good staff.
6. Ladysmith - 3 good backs returning, a new coaching staff, and a young qb with a solid arm coming up. They seriously lack numbers though and their program is definitely going south with a huge lack of commitment.
7. Hayward - never fail to produce numbers in their program, but their dang offense is never going to get them over the hump. They need to switch up that wishbone to fit the athletes in their program. The biggest school in the conference and yet they have been near the bottom the last few years. Adjustment = good coaching which I think they have been lacking.
8. Chetek - They will show improvement and could surprise some people.

I could be very wrong about these, particularly picking Spooner so high, but adjustments can be made once a few games are played.



I just don't see how you can choose Barron to win the league over very physical teams like Spooner, Bloomer, and Northwestern. Barron is not known for playing well against teams like that. I just don't see it happening.

It's a prediction. Pre = before, while diction = choice of words. I'm assuming he thought that Barron had a more succesful season last season and return some athletes that can get the job done. Didn't Barron pass all over Northwestern last year, and score like 40 + points or something? Bloomer and Northwestern are always physical yes, but Bloomer is losing 9 defensive starters like that or something. It's a tentative conclusion, and that's why the games are played. Two weeks of games can change opinions and the way seasons go.

Also, I remember my friends who are seniors this year tell me that Barron's senior class this year has just dominated in sports over the past. There is always years where this happens. Last year it happened to be Bloomer. This year is up for grabs, but Barron seems like a logical pick considering the athletes returning.

You can not compare last year's Bloomer team to this years Barron team. Bloomer was consistently in the playoffs even when last years seniors were young! They were dominant, this grade may be dominant; but for Barron's standards; not comparable to Bloomer. Also Barron's offense is not built for football seasons in wisconsin's weather. You have to win games late in the year to be a conference champ, October and on the weather gets bad. IMO thats why you see teams who pass less go deep in the playoffs. For example, the last week in the regular season, Bloomer vs. Spooner had terrible weather. Spooners a team that doesn't pass as nearly as much as Barron and they struggled because of the conditions and that was a game for conference. SCC; a predominantly passing team vs. Somerset in level 3. Not good passing conditions and got shut out (not taking away from Somerset). Somerset played great defense and destroyed central. Remember this is just what i think and I'm trying to spark a good debate, i did not say this to tear a team or town down. Just speaking my mind!
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:04:29 AM(UTC)
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waterproof0 wrote:
elsmith4 wrote:
waterproof0 wrote:
fb2010 wrote:
This isn't based off extensive research, just my basic knowledge of program strength and returning players. Things will be a lot different, as Bloomer lost nearly all their starters, Cumberland lost some stud athletes, and Spooner returns a program with a ton of players, but seem relatively unproven as a lot of their seniors last year did a lot.

1. Barron - Best qb in the conference, with some weapons.
2. Spooner -Have depth, and their head coach has built the program up the last few years.
3. Bloomer - program strength, and always have good number.
4. Cumberland - 2nd best qb returning, but don't know what he has surrounding him.
5. Northwestern - Always have numbers and good staff.
6. Ladysmith - 3 good backs returning, a new coaching staff, and a young qb with a solid arm coming up. They seriously lack numbers though and their program is definitely going south with a huge lack of commitment.
7. Hayward - never fail to produce numbers in their program, but their dang offense is never going to get them over the hump. They need to switch up that wishbone to fit the athletes in their program. The biggest school in the conference and yet they have been near the bottom the last few years. Adjustment = good coaching which I think they have been lacking.
8. Chetek - They will show improvement and could surprise some people.

I could be very wrong about these, particularly picking Spooner so high, but adjustments can be made once a few games are played.



I just don't see how you can choose Barron to win the league over very physical teams like Spooner, Bloomer, and Northwestern. Barron is not known for playing well against teams like that. I just don't see it happening.

It's a prediction. Pre = before, while diction = choice of words. I'm assuming he thought that Barron had a more succesful season last season and return some athletes that can get the job done. Didn't Barron pass all over Northwestern last year, and score like 40 + points or something? Bloomer and Northwestern are always physical yes, but Bloomer is losing 9 defensive starters like that or something. It's a tentative conclusion, and that's why the games are played. Two weeks of games can change opinions and the way seasons go.

Also, I remember my friends who are seniors this year tell me that Barron's senior class this year has just dominated in sports over the past. There is always years where this happens. Last year it happened to be Bloomer. This year is up for grabs, but Barron seems like a logical pick considering the athletes returning.

You can not compare last year's Bloomer team to this years Barron team. Bloomer was consistently in the playoffs even when last years seniors were young! They were dominant, this grade may be dominant; but for Barron's standards; not comparable to Bloomer. Also Barron's offense is not built for football seasons in wisconsin's weather. You have to win games late in the year to be a conference champ, October and on the weather gets bad. IMO thats why you see teams who pass less go deep in the playoffs. For example, the last week in the regular season, Bloomer vs. Spooner had terrible weather. Spooners a team that doesn't pass as nearly as much as Barron and they struggled because of the conditions and that was a game for conference. SCC; a predominantly passing team vs. Somerset in level 3. Not good passing conditions and got shut out (not taking away from Somerset). Remember this is just what i think and I'm trying to spark a good debate, i did not say this to tear a team or town down. Just speaking my mind!

While I agree with most of the things you said, Bloomer was just a much better team than Spooner all-around, and the same goes for Somerset and SCC. The fact that those two team were heavy passing teams had little to do with the outcomes, in my opinion. I'm not taking anything away from Spooner or SCC; I just think that Bloomer and Somerset were the cream of the crop in this part of the state (and I actually think they were the two best teams in the whole state).
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:04:30 AM(UTC)
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I agree that Somerset, and Bloomer were the two best teams in d4 last year, Bloomer being one of the smallest too (enrollment). Bloomer should have been playing state if it wasn't for some freak plays that happened in the level 4 game.
Then I thought Somerset was going to lose by a lot at state. They actually had the State-Championship in their hands when they subsequently lost in OT. I firmly believe Bloomer would have held their own in that game with more senior leadership to put it away. This is obviously all what-ifs and speculations.

About Barron though, they do have no depth. If no one gets hurt though they can compete near the top with the teams that are always deep. Teams that make it to state will almost always be dominate run teams. Their are a few exceptions at times. Look at Kewaunee a couple years back. Well they were extremely balanced. I remember my Junior year when Ladysmith passed for 350+ yards against Bloomer, and still lost because Bloomer had a very physical run team which set up some great play action passes. I can't remember the QB's name, but he was pretty good too  . Then the next week, Ladysmith put up anotehr 300+ passing performance and still lost to the physical NW Tigers. Despite elements in the end the of the season, the better team usually wins in the grind.
That's why I like the 3 games in 10 days before they changed it. As a fan, you get to spectate a plethora of the best games of the year. As a player and teammate you get to be a part of true grind-it-out teams that only win if they're the best. That way you get a full 9 regular season games, instead of 8. I think taking away a game a year is a huge downfall to the players who only have one chance to play HS football.
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:55:53 PM(UTC)
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elsmith4 wrote:
I agree that Somerset, and Bloomer were the two best teams in d4 last year, Bloomer being one of the smallest too (enrollment). Bloomer should have been playing state if it wasn't for some freak plays that happened in the level 4 game.
Then I thought Somerset was going to lose by a lot at state. They actually had the State-Championship in their hands when they subsequently lost in OT. I firmly believe Bloomer would have held their own in that game with more senior leadership to put it away. This is obviously all what-ifs and speculations.

About Barron though, they do have no depth. If no one gets hurt though they can compete near the top with the teams that are always deep. Teams that make it to state will almost always be dominate run teams. Their are a few exceptions at times. Look at Kewaunee a couple years back. Well they were extremely balanced. I remember my Junior year when Ladysmith passed for 350+ yards against Bloomer, and still lost because Bloomer had a very physical run team which set up some great play action passes. I can't remember the QB's name, but he was pretty good too  . Then the next week, Ladysmith put up anotehr 300+ passing performance and still lost to the physical NW Tigers. Despite elements in the end the of the season, the better team usually wins in the grind.
That's why I like the 3 games in 10 days before they changed it. As a fan, you get to spectate a plethora of the best games of the year. As a player and teammate you get to be a part of true grind-it-out teams that only win if they're the best. That way you get a full 9 regular season games, instead of 8. I think taking away a game a year is a huge downfall to the players who only have one chance to play HS football.

I agree with what you said there except the leadership thing about Somerset and Bloomer. Somersets leaders are the one who made those freak plays to end Bloomers season, the senior leadership is the reason they went that far and i don't think that was the determining factor in the loss as I'm sure there are many theories to why they did lose. Im not saying Bloomer's leaders were less or worse but I'm saying they were equally good. Those two teams were phenomenal and i also believe if Bloomer went, they would have won state; the same way Somerset should have.

Barron: And those examples you used are just backing up my theory that predominantly run teams win games when it is close, later in the year, and playoffs. Its whether you are one dimensional or not. Kewaunee was head and shoulders above teams that year and didn't matter what they did. Im talking about Barron and other teams who aren't Kewaunee type programs. If they allow teams to control the ball in games and only give opposing d-coordinators one thing to key in on then its going to be a long season and you might have to struggle to get into the playoffs rather than win conference.
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I agree with what you said there except the leadership thing about Somerset and Bloomer. Somersets leaders are the one who made those freak plays to end Bloomers season, the senior leadership is the reason they went that far and i don't think that was the determining factor in the loss as I'm sure there are many theories to why they did lose. Im not saying Bloomer's leaders were less or worse but I'm saying they were equally good. Those two teams were phenomenal and i also believe if Bloomer went, they would have won state; the same way Somerset should have.

I definitely agree that Somerset's leaders were the ones stepping up in the sectional final. Ledbetter, Flom, and Dvorak each made a huge play that created a TD (Ledbetter causing the fumble that was returned, Flom's near pick-6, and Dvorak's long TD run). Bloomer leaders didn't step up in those situations. Unfortunately for Somerset, the same exact thing happened to them in the championship game. Those 3 players who were key to Somerset's success all season each had the poorest game I had seen from them all season (and I watched a total of 4 Somerset games). I'm not trying to knock those players down at all either; they were all fantastic last season. Sometimes, it's not really about stepping up at all. Sometimes no matter how hard you try, the ball just doesn't bounce your way. It happened to Bloomer, and it happened to Somerset. It cost both teams dearly.
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#21 Posted : Friday, August 17, 2012 10:54:29 PM(UTC)

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Northwestern is back!


Where did they go ?

If I recall didn't they lose Alexson and Antilla? I know they return some of their fullbacks but otherwise I don't know how much they return. Enlighten me?

Also how did some of the scrimmages go that HON teams participated in?
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QB for northwestern is a nice athlete...not sure his name.
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Somerset at Bloomer tomorrow night.....who ya got? Will Bloomer go down in flames or rise to the occasion?
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Somerset at Bloomer tomorrow night.....who ya got? Will Bloomer go down in flames or rise to the occasion?

All I'm going to say is that Bloomer is going to have to play pretty well in order to get a "W". They've made some big steps so far, but they've got a lot more to make, too.

I heard yesterday that Hayward cut the JV team for this year. That's extremely disappointing for a school of their size. With Hayward being the 4th team to do so, Bloomer has added Regis and Menomonie Sophomores to the JV schedule. That still leaves a couple open weeks, though. Last year the JV played the Chi-Hi Sophs, but I was told that they wouldn't be able to do that this year.

Also, I heard that the Bloomer Frosh traveled all the way up to Northwestern tonight only to have the game cancelled after 2 offensive possessions (and TDs) when the third referee (who apparently was a coach that was filling in) decided he didn't want to officiate any longer. Someone please tell me there's more to this story...
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