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He should, and is, making a great recruiting impact along side new Assistant Lance Randall for an already strong pointer program.

I have no idea but I'm going to guess "Grey Shirt."

Yeah it looks like Braden Tice, Keondre Gholston, and Zach Ripley all aren't on WIAC opponent UW-Lax's roster either. Weird.

As far as I know Ziemer and Smith do attend UWSP, but I don't think Gregory does. But I'm not sure why they are not playing.

Yuck. I'd leave if that happened to me.

I can guarentee you that coaches are not telling kids that they might get cut or never play. In the case of Jason Ziemer and Matt Smith look at the words bestowed upon them by Coach Semling upon their recruitment.

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This doesn't happen at the private schools in D3 because they can not over-recruit. Their schools are too expensive to allow them to bring 15-18 guys onto their roster. I'm sure they would if they could but the economics get in the way too much.

I'm not sure which game you are talking about, but if you are talking about the conference opener on Wednesday vs. UW-Stout, then I have no idea where you got those numbers from. It wasn't the home opener, the day before Thanksgiving was, and nobody was around for that game. Maybe the small attendance you are talking about was from that game. I was at the game on Wednesday, and the crowd was huge, much larger than 197. With the program we have here I can guarantee you there is a great amount of fan support.

I understand your point and you are right ... the player has to earn his spot.

But the discussion revolves around the philosophy of recruiting (not open tryouts) 18 guys knowing that you are going to "run-off" 3 or 4 of them. It revolves around "promises" made during the recruiting process that are then forgotten, disregarded or excused.

Ziemer is a kid who can play. He was pursued by several different programs in the WIAC. And now he's "cut" from the team?

I understand not everyone works out. Some kids burn out. Some kids do not want to put the time and effort in. Some kids can't deal with the time committment required.

But I am also saying don't assume the the coach is completely innocent in the process either.

Nope, there were 197 fans at Viterbo last night. If that game was at Platteville they would have had over 1,000. That doesn't surprise me at all. Viterbo draws very little support in La Crosse.

I think you need to over recruit at the D3 level because with no schollie or commitment needed, a player could decide to go to a different school at the last minute or decide once there they cant/don't want to put in the time....or need a job/concentrate on studies more.

Find it hard to believe players in question did not have D3 skills. According to wishoops rankings/articles they were bonafide "scholarship" players. I don't have a problem with Point's recruiting tactics if these kids were told up-front they would have to make the team and earn a roster spot...They are a "class" program and I find it hard to believe they weren't honest with the kids since day 1.

Have a BIG problem looking at Point recruiting link. Very misleading. They should not release recruit info to media until these recruits have actually made the team. Very embarrassing to the player. They now have to explain what happened in the recruiting process and why they did not make the team. Don't imagine they would have kind words to say about Point if they were lied to...

I hope this is an isolated case and does not happen in other programs...
Players really need to be aware of how the recruiting process works. Just because you make a huge commitment to a school does necessarily mean the school is committed to you.

This is my own personal opinion, but I believe that Stevens Point knows they can get the top players in the state each year. As a result, they tend to over recruit. The best defense is a good offense. What I mean by this, is if Stevens Point can get the maximum amount of top players in each class to come to Stevens Point each year, then they won’t be going to other WIAC schools. And as a result, the other WIAC won’t be getting top recruits.

For example, Jason Ziemer was recruited very hard by a lot of schools last season and it came down to Platteville and Stevens Point for him. Platteville has reported being to 15+ games of his last year and would have been their top recruit. Of course, Stevens Point would not want a player with Jason’s ability to go to one of their rivals. Jason might not fit the system Steven Point’s runs, but if they can get them to come to Stevens Point still, then they won’t have to face him two – three times a year against Platteville. As it worked out, Jason decided to go to Point and as soon as he stepped foot on the Stevens Point campus, he was told that he doesn’t fit their system and isn’t wanted.
If you think this is an isolated incident, then look at the recruits they have brought in the past few years and how many of those recruits never played a game for Stevens Point. I know college basketball isn’t’ for everyone and a lot of incoming freshmen end up not going out, but players Steven Point brings aren’t players who are borderline if they want to play college ball or not. They don’t just quit on their own.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Steven's Point doing this. They are one of the most successful D3 programs in the country year in year out and would give a lot of D2 schools a run for their money. They also have great facilities and community support. With that being said, I do think they get a way with a lot of dirty tactics in my mind. They have the right to do that, but I personally don't agree with that becuase they are cheating a lot of great athletes.