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Ethan Finlay - Hermann Trophy Finalist
sd12120
#1 Posted : Sunday, December 11, 2011 3:00:55 PM(UTC)

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Just in case anyone visits this forum anymore..

Ethan Finlay was named one of three finalists for the Hermann Trophy:

See News Release: http://www.nscaa.com/news/2011/12/2011-hermann-men-finalists?SPSID=89401&SPID=2518&DB_OEM_ID=1000

I just remember a lot of trash talking in this forum towards Ethan about 4 years ago when he was going to Creighton....I think he proved a number of folks wrong...


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#2 Posted : Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:48:11 PM(UTC)

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sd12120 wrote:
Just in case anyone visits this forum anymore..

Ethan Finlay was named one of three finalists for the Hermann Trophy:

See News Release: http://www.nscaa.com/news/2011/12/2011-hermann-men-finalists?SPSID=89401&SPID=2518&DB_OEM_ID=1000

I just remember a lot of trash talking in this forum towards Ethan about 4 years ago when he was going to Creighton....I think he proved a number of folks wrong...


There was never any doubt about Finley's talents on the field. The problems centered on Finley being a less-than-classy competitor and a less-than-desirable teammate. Finley prepped at Marshfield, I'm a Marshfield native and that was the prevailing opinion and/or conventional wisdom among the local sports fans as conveyed to me by several former hometown cronies.

He was condescending to his teammates, often verbally undressing them during games. And some of his verbal assaults were not subtle either. Finley obviously knew he was head & shoulders above everyone else (teammates & opposing players alike) on the pitch. The problem was, he let everyone know it. He was suspended from the team towards the end of his junior season, and at the end of his senior season, the Wisconsin Valley conference coaches bypassed him for the "Conference Player of the Year Award," no doubt because of his lack of sportsmanship.

Those are the reasons behind Finley being the object of trash-talking coming out of high school, not his physical talents or his ability to excel on the field.

From what I understand, Finley has been a good teammate at Creighton. I'm sure being on the pitch with other players who possess similar skill sets, no doubt humbled Finley some and brought him back down to earth.
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#3 Posted : Monday, December 12, 2011 7:05:42 PM(UTC)

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Mick Jagger wrote:
sd12120 wrote:
Just in case anyone visits this forum anymore..

Ethan Finlay was named one of three finalists for the Hermann Trophy:

See News Release: http://www.nscaa.com/news/2011/12/2011-hermann-men-finalists?SPSID=89401&SPID=2518&DB_OEM_ID=1000

I just remember a lot of trash talking in this forum towards Ethan about 4 years ago when he was going to Creighton....I think he proved a number of folks wrong...


There was never any doubt about Finley's talents on the field. The problems centered on Finley being a less-than-classy competitor and a less-than-desirable teammate. Finley prepped at Marshfield, I'm a Marshfield native and that was the prevailing opinion and/or conventional wisdom among the local sports fans as conveyed to me by several former hometown cronies.

He was condescending to his teammates, often verbally undressing them during games. And some of his verbal assaults were not subtle either. Finley obviously knew he was head & shoulders above everyone else (teammates & opposing players alike) on the pitch. The problem was, he let everyone know it. He was suspended from the team towards the end of his junior season, and at the end of his senior season, the Wisconsin Valley conference coaches bypassed him for the "Conference Player of the Year Award," no doubt because of his lack of sportsmanship.

Those are the reasons behind Finley being the object of trash-talking coming out of high school, not his physical talents or his ability to excel on the field.

From what I understand, Finley has been a good teammate at Creighton. I'm sure being on the pitch among other players with similar skill sets, no doubt humbled Finley some and brought him back down to earth.


Hey Mick,

I don't disagree with anything you said. I only watched Ethan from the club side (watching my son try to mark/defend him), and saw him as a fierce competitor, using whatever he could to win. Sometimes that made him come off as being an arrogant jerk...

I recall a number of posters (who seemed to know him primarily from the HS side) predicted his failure at the college level because of the behaviors you described. That is what I was trying to refer to when I said he "proved some of them wrong"...I'm not sure what happened at Creighton, but he had an outstanding career there. Maybe you are right, maybe he grew up a bit in the competitive environment. I've seen it happen with other talented players...

I'm just happy to see a wisconsin kid succeed at such a high level. I hope he's not the last....

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#4 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:05:48 AM(UTC)

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sd12120 wrote:
Mick Jagger wrote:
sd12120 wrote:
Just in case anyone visits this forum anymore..

Ethan Finlay was named one of three finalists for the Hermann Trophy:

See News Release: http://www.nscaa.com/news/2011/12/2011-hermann-men-finalists?SPSID=89401&SPID=2518&DB_OEM_ID=1000

I just remember a lot of trash talking in this forum towards Ethan about 4 years ago when he was going to Creighton....I think he proved a number of folks wrong...


There was never any doubt about Finley's talents on the field. The problems centered on Finley being a less-than-classy competitor and a less-than-desirable teammate. Finley prepped at Marshfield, I'm a Marshfield native and that was the prevailing opinion and/or conventional wisdom among the local sports fans as conveyed to me by several former hometown cronies.

He was condescending to his teammates, often verbally undressing them during games. And some of his verbal assaults were not subtle either. Finley obviously knew he was head & shoulders above everyone else (teammates & opposing players alike) on the pitch. The problem was, he let everyone know it. He was suspended from the team towards the end of his junior season, and at the end of his senior season, the Wisconsin Valley conference coaches bypassed him for the "Conference Player of the Year Award," no doubt because of his lack of sportsmanship.

Those are the reasons behind Finley being the object of trash-talking coming out of high school, not his physical talents or his ability to excel on the field.

From what I understand, Finley has been a good teammate at Creighton. I'm sure being on the pitch among other players with similar skill sets, no doubt humbled Finley some and brought him back down to earth.


Hey Mick,

I don't disagree with anything you said. I only watched Ethan from the club side (watching my son try to mark/defend him), and saw him as a fierce competitor, using whatever he could to win. Sometimes that made him come off as being an arrogant jerk...

I recall a number of posters (who seemed to know him primarily from the HS side) predicted his failure at the college level because of the behaviors you described. That is what I was trying to refer to when I said he "proved some of them wrong"...I'm not sure what happened at Creighton, but he had an outstanding career there. Maybe you are right, maybe he grew up a bit in the competitive environment. I've seen it happen with other talented players...

I'm just happy to see a wisconsin kid succeed at such a high level. I hope he's not the last....



I spoke with some of Finley's Creighton teammates last summer at the US Youth Soccer Midwest regional tournament in Appleton. They were playing for a U-19 or U-20 team from Omaha. I asked them about playing with Finley at Creighton, specifically if he was a good teammate. Other than kind of a goofy grin by a couple of them, they didn't hesitate in their reply that Ethan was a good teammate.

Finley landed in Marshfield because his dad's career with the YMCA brought him there. Within a month after Finley graduated from high school, the family was gone. The dad accepted a position with YMCA in another state, I can't remember which state, however. Perhaps Nebraska, seeing as how Creighton is located in Omaha.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:18:12 PM(UTC)
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mike,

This kid has gone on to be Wisconsin's greatest soccer player and you bring up materials and most likely embellished from his youth days, what a shame. I am sure as he reads your comments he relishes coming back to the old "town " to live the glory days of Marshfield soccer. My son too played with him in WI OPD and was amazed by his passion for the game and his commitment. My son still talks of Ethan;s leadership and how fond he was of his small home town, and now you decide to bring back some rust. You should be ashamed , maybe your son got cut when Ethan showed up to play.
I have read the old threads and have followed his career at his college and he sure deserves to be recognized for his excellence and now to be noted as one of the best in the USA is no small accomplishment.

My son often tells us that Ethan is a great Representative for WI and was also a team captain this year so hopefully that indicates his personally character and qualities he now has developed. I have met his family on a number of field training occasion and they are just the nicest folks and were very proud of Marshfield.

Let the old stuff go Mick and be proud of your Marshfield product , shoot now you have to pay to watch him play!
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#6 Posted : Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:38:48 AM(UTC)

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milwaukeesoccer wrote:
mike,

This kid has gone on to be Wisconsin's greatest soccer player and you bring up materials and most likely embellished from his youth days, what a shame. I am sure as he reads your comments he relishes coming back to the old "town " to live the glory days of Marshfield soccer. My son too played with him in WI OPD and was amazed by his passion for the game and his commitment. My son still talks of Ethan;s leadership and how fond he was of his small home town, and now you decide to bring back some rust. You should be ashamed , maybe your son got cut when Ethan showed up to play.
I have read the old threads and have followed his career at his college and he sure deserves to be recognized for his excellence and now to be noted as one of the best in the USA is no small accomplishment.

My son often tells us that Ethan is a great Representative for WI and was also a team captain this year so hopefully that indicates his personally character and qualities he now has developed. I have met his family on a number of field training occasion and they are just the nicest folks and were very proud of Marshfield.

Let the old stuff go Mick and be proud of your Marshfield product , shoot now you have to pay to watch him play!


Didn't embellish or manufacture anything. Told it like it was and the reasons why. Another poster questioned some of the "trash-talking" that went on here on the WSN forum when Finlay was in high school. I was merely providing some substance to the reasons behind some of that trash-talking. I'm not saying one should be haunted by one's past for eternity. However, sometimes one's past does rear its ugly head and bites one in the ass. If you have any doubts about Ethan's high school antics, perhaps you should take a trip to Marshfield and look up some of Finlay's ex-teammates and ask them their version of things. Or, contact the Wisconsin Valley Conference soccer coaches as to how it happened that "Wisconsin's greatest soccer player" somehow avoided being named the conference player of the year his junior & senior years when he clearly was the best player on the pitch .....

I'm not condemning the kid. I wrote a follow-up post quoting his Creighton University teammates as to their take on Finlay being a good teammate. The implication was that Ethan had grown up, matured and perhaps learned how to get along with and tolerate others. I think the hidden message here (which I also alluded to) is that Finlay appears to get along fine when playing or interacting with others that are at his skill-level (college teammates, summer club-teammates, etc). However, apparently, there was another side to Finley that emerged when he was in high school when he had to play with less-talented teammates and opponents.

People change. I get that. I've lived long enough to witness it in others and experience it myself. I'm all about second, third & fourth chances, believe me. If Finlay is a team captain at Creighton, he must have earned his teammates' respect and have demonstrated leadership traits.

By the way, just to end any of your own unfounded speculation, I did not have a son who didn't make the team or lost out on playing time because of Ethan Finlay, as you suggested. As I stated in an earlier post, I'm a Marshfield native. However, I haven't lived there on a permanent basis since I went off to college after high school a few decades ago. I currently live in Appleton.

And, one more thing, as I mentioned in an ealier post, Finlay's parents were so enamored with Marshfield, that within weeks after Ethan's high school graduation, they moved out of town (which is their perrogative and, in & by itself, perfectly OK). Perhaps Finlay & his parents are the ones embellishing their time spent in Marshfield. They were not Marshfield natives. As I mentioned earlier, Finlay's dad's career with the YMCA brought them to Marshfield and probably played at least a partial role in them leaving (or at least made it more convenient to leave).

I strongly suggest you carefully re-read my ealier posts, #2 and #4 on this thread to gain some proper context and understanding of what is was that I was actually conveying regarding Ethan Finlay.

Oh yeah ....., as far as the "Wisconsin's Greatest Soccer Player" tag goes ..... I'll go with Green Bay native, Jay DeMerit, who logged significant playing time as a defender for Team-USA in the 2010 FIFA Word Cup:

http://www.ussoccer.com/...kles-The-Big-Screen.aspx
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#7 Posted : Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:11:58 PM(UTC)
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Nice comments on Ethan Finley again the young man has accomplished much greatness since H.S and club soccer days. My son struggled at times with H.S soccer as many players do not take the game real serious which may be reason as you noted for some problems.
With my son home from college he shared with me that occasionally talks with Ethan via Facebook with Ethan being real cool about life, and that he along with so many have nothing but pride in his accomplishments. See the recent WI SOCCER CENTRAL ARTICLE. "Rare Honor'

I encourage everyone to go the Creighton mens soccer site to view the team and Ethan's work, I mean the Final Four wow , he was just named by the NSCAA as the Academic Player of the Year now to with the Hermann Finalist award , that is amazing. Wisconsin is very proud of you Ethan.

I would think as a former resident you would really now elect to remember Ethans here and now, 5 years is long time ago. Enough said right.

Best wishes in the MLS and Team USA Ethan!!
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Marshfield Senior High School grad & Creighton University forward, Ethan Finlay, finishes as the runner-up to Hermann Trophy winner, Andrew Wenger from Duke. North Carolina's Billy Schuler finishes 3rd in the voting.

Congratulations to these fine real football players.
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