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#151 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:27:03 AM(UTC)

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Ellsworth's Brady Schroeder threw 139 pitches and was still humming along in the 9th. Great performance by Schroeder. The defense needs to pick him up next time as Ellsworth had 4 errors last night.
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#152 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:43:40 AM(UTC)

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Herald's article on Ellsworth and Prescott games

http://www.piercecountyh.../id/45695/group/Sports/

Good job MBC teams.

Looks like tonight we have OHS at Somerset, Altoona at Ellsworth, Elk Mound at Prescott and tomorrow NR at CF,
"The name All-Northwest itself means something to readers of the Leader-Telegram." ?????????

It is the "ALL LEADER AREA" team, pure and simple.

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#153 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:35:39 PM(UTC)

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Prescott 2012 Regional Champs
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#154 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:00:25 PM(UTC)

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Ellsworth beat Altoona tonight 4-0, James Georgakas was the winning pitcher, threw all 7 and had 12 strikeouts
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#155 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:27:49 PM(UTC)

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Somerset 8 ..OHS 5
"The name All-Northwest itself means something to readers of the Leader-Telegram." ?????????

It is the "ALL LEADER AREA" team, pure and simple.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

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#156 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:32:47 PM(UTC)

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fanman7 wrote:
Ellsworth's Brady Schroeder threw 139 pitches and was still humming along in the 9th. Great performance by Schroeder. The defense needs to pick him up next time as Ellsworth had 4 errors last night.

Wow 139 pitches? That is ridiculous to make a kid throw that...
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#157 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:39:56 AM(UTC)

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Mr. Carter wrote:
fanman7 wrote:
Ellsworth's Brady Schroeder threw 139 pitches and was still humming along in the 9th. Great performance by Schroeder. The defense needs to pick him up next time as Ellsworth had 4 errors last night.

Wow 139 pitches? That is ridiculous to make a kid throw that...


georgakas threw 141...they've been throwing 100 pitches almost every game this year and I know they worked their arms out in the offseason and their arms are conditioned enough to throw that much
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#158 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:29:23 AM(UTC)
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panther2010 wrote:
Mr. Carter wrote:
fanman7 wrote:
Ellsworth's Brady Schroeder threw 139 pitches and was still humming along in the 9th. Great performance by Schroeder. The defense needs to pick him up next time as Ellsworth had 4 errors last night.

Wow 139 pitches? That is ridiculous to make a kid throw that...


georgakas threw 141...they've been throwing 100 pitches almost every game this year and I know they worked their arms out in the offseason and their arms are conditioned enough to throw that much



You're kidding, right? NOBOBY...I mean NOBODY is "conditioned" to throw 140 pitches in a game.....it's an absolute recipe for injury. Maybe not now, maybe not this season, but eventually it will come back to haunt him. The coach should be ashamed of himself.
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#159 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:45:45 AM(UTC)

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cheesehead wrote:
panther2010 wrote:
Mr. Carter wrote:
[quote=fanman7]Ellsworth's Brady Schroeder threw 139 pitches and was still humming along in the 9th. Great performance by Schroeder. The defense needs to pick him up next time as Ellsworth had 4 errors last night.

Wow 139 pitches? That is ridiculous to make a kid throw that...


georgakas threw 141...they've been throwing 100 pitches almost every game this year and I know they worked their arms out in the offseason and their arms are conditioned enough to throw that much



You're kidding, right? NOBOBY...I mean NOBODY is "conditioned" to throw 140 pitches in a game.....it's an absolute recipe for injury. Maybe not now, maybe not this season, but eventually it will come back to haunt him. The coach should be ashamed
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#160 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:50:36 AM(UTC)
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panther2010 wrote:
cheesehead wrote:
panther2010 wrote:
Mr. Carter wrote:
fanman7 wrote:
Ellsworth's Brady Schroeder threw 139 pitches and was still humming along in the 9th. Great performance by Schroeder. The defense needs to pick him up next time as Ellsworth had 4 errors last night.

Wow 139 pitches? That is ridiculous to make a kid throw that...


georgakas threw 141...they've been throwing 100 pitches almost every game this year and I know they worked their arms out in the offseason and their arms are conditioned enough to throw that much



You're kidding, right? NOBOBY...I mean NOBODY is "conditioned" to throw 140 pitches in a game.....it's an absolute recipe for injury. Maybe not now, maybe not this season, but eventually it will come back to haunt him. The coach should be ashamed of himself.


Any time you throw a baseball there's a chance for an injury...if you take care of your arm with ice and running along with regular throwing


Sure....anytime you do anything there's a chance of injury. 130+pitches is ABUSE and it will come back to bite you...especially for kids who haven't even fully physically developed. As for icing? No medical proof that icing is beneficial at all. Some have gone away from icing all together. There's a reason that MLB pitchers are on pitch-counts. 120 max....and most of them are world-class athletes.
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#161 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:50:55 AM(UTC)

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cheesehead wrote:
panther2010 wrote:
Mr. Carter wrote:
fanman7 wrote:
Ellsworth's Brady Schroeder threw 139 pitches and was still humming along in the 9th. Great performance by Schroeder. The defense needs to pick him up next time as Ellsworth had 4 errors last night.

Wow 139 pitches? That is ridiculous to make a kid throw that...


georgakas threw 141...they've been throwing 100 pitches almost every game this year and I know they worked their arms out in the offseason and their arms are conditioned enough to throw that much



You're kidding, right? NOBOBY...I mean NOBODY is "conditioned" to throw 140 pitches in a game.....it's an absolute recipe for injury. Maybe not now, maybe not this season, but eventually it will come back to haunt him. The coach should be ashamed of himself.


Any time you throw a baseball there's a chance for an injury...if you take care of your arm with ice and running along with regular throwing...they play long toss every day and do arm bands every day...the human body is capable as long as it's taken care of
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#162 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:59:36 AM(UTC)

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cheesehead wrote:
panther2010 wrote:
cheesehead wrote:
panther2010 wrote:
Mr. Carter wrote:
fanman7 wrote:
Ellsworth's Brady Schroeder threw 139 pitches and was still humming along in the 9th. Great performance by Schroeder. The defense needs to pick him up next time as Ellsworth had 4 errors last night.

Wow 139 pitches? That is ridiculous to make a kid throw that...


georgakas threw 141...they've been throwing 100 pitches almost every game this year and I know they worked their arms out in the offseason and their arms are conditioned enough to throw that much



You're kidding, right? NOBOBY...I mean NOBODY is "conditioned" to throw 140 pitches in a game.....it's an absolute recipe for injury. Maybe not now, maybe not this season, but eventually it will come back to haunt him. The coach should be ashamed of himself.


Any time you throw a baseball there's a chance for an injury...if you take care of your arm with ice and running along with regular throwing


Sure....anytime you do anything there's a chance of injury. 130+pitches is ABUSE and it will come back to bite you...especially for kids who haven't even fully physically developed. As for icing? No medical proof that icing is beneficial at all. Some have gone away from icing all together. There's a reason that MLB pitchers are on pitch-counts. 120 max....and most of them are world-class athletes.

MLB pitchers are expected to last 162 games and 200 plus compared to 50 innings maybe in high school
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#163 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:30:08 PM(UTC)

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There is no way you can justify a high school pitcher throwing 140 pitches... absolutely ridiculous. I know multiple all state and all conference pitchers and even they think this is crazy.
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#164 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:22:42 PM(UTC)

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http://espn.go.com/blog/...ld-lead-to-big-problems


Interesting charts at the bottom of this http://www.theoleballgam...ctions-recommended.html

Appears that some states have a limit. NY has a 105 limit for HS.

http://blog.masslive.com..._counts_be_enforce.html
"The name All-Northwest itself means something to readers of the Leader-Telegram." ?????????

It is the "ALL LEADER AREA" team, pure and simple.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

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#165 Posted : Friday, June 01, 2012 9:40:00 AM(UTC)

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a fan wrote:
http://espn.go.com/blog/high-school/baseball/post/_/id/1878/big-pitch-counts-could-lead-to-big-problems


Interesting charts at the bottom of this http://www.theoleballgam...ctions-recommended.html

Appears that some states have a limit. NY has a 105 limit for HS.

http://blog.masslive.com..._counts_be_enforce.html

According to your chart on that website, they are throwing a max of 210 pitches per week, the Ellsworth pitchers throw once a week, so they are well under the max...
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#166 Posted : Friday, June 01, 2012 9:55:53 AM(UTC)

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panther2010 wrote:
cheesehead wrote:
panther2010 wrote:
cheesehead wrote:
panther2010 wrote:
Mr. Carter wrote:
fanman7 wrote:
Ellsworth's Brady Schroeder threw 139 pitches and was still humming along in the 9th. Great performance by Schroeder. The defense needs to pick him up next time as Ellsworth had 4 errors last night.

Wow 139 pitches? That is ridiculous to make a kid throw that...


georgakas threw 141...they've been throwing 100 pitches almost every game this year and I know they worked their arms out in the offseason and their arms are conditioned enough to throw that much



You're kidding, right? NOBOBY...I mean NOBODY is "conditioned" to throw 140 pitches in a game.....it's an absolute recipe for injury. Maybe not now, maybe not this season, but eventually it will come back to haunt him. The coach should be ashamed of himself.


Any time you throw a baseball there's a chance for an injury...if you take care of your arm with ice and running along with regular throwing


Sure....anytime you do anything there's a chance of injury. 130+pitches is ABUSE and it will come back to bite you...especially for kids who haven't even fully physically developed. As for icing? No medical proof that icing is beneficial at all. Some have gone away from icing all together. There's a reason that MLB pitchers are on pitch-counts. 120 max....and most of them are world-class athletes.

MLB pitchers are expected to last 162 games and 200 plus compared to 50 innings maybe in high school



If a pitcher has thrown 100 pitches in five innings and he has limited his opponents to two hits and one walk, he has worked a stress-free game. In a case like that, 100 pitches will not take a significant toll on a pitcher's arm. However, if the pitcher has thrown 100 pitches in 2 2/3 innings and he has given up eight hits and four runs, that may take a huge toll. In one case, the coach may be justified in leaving his pitcher in the game and in the other case he should take him out. Pitch count is a factor but it is only one of many. I think HOF Coach Block deserves a little more benefit in understanding than all of you 'arm chair pitchers' are giving him credit for.

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#167 Posted : Friday, June 01, 2012 10:16:50 AM(UTC)

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Buckingham U. Badger wrote:
panther2010 wrote:
cheesehead wrote:
panther2010 wrote:
cheesehead wrote:
panther2010 wrote:
Mr. Carter wrote:
fanman7 wrote:
Ellsworth's Brady Schroeder threw 139 pitches and was still humming along in the 9th. Great performance by Schroeder. The defense needs to pick him up next time as Ellsworth had 4 errors last night.

Wow 139 pitches? That is ridiculous to make a kid throw that...


georgakas threw 141...they've been throwing 100 pitches almost every game this year and I know they worked their arms out in the offseason and their arms are conditioned enough to throw that much



You're kidding, right? NOBOBY...I mean NOBODY is "conditioned" to throw 140 pitches in a game.....it's an absolute recipe for injury. Maybe not now, maybe not this season, but eventually it will come back to haunt him. The coach should be ashamed of himself.


Any time you throw a baseball there's a chance for an injury...if you take care of your arm with ice and running along with regular throwing


Sure....anytime you do anything there's a chance of injury. 130+pitches is ABUSE and it will come back to bite you...especially for kids who haven't even fully physically developed. As for icing? No medical proof that icing is beneficial at all. Some have gone away from icing all together. There's a reason that MLB pitchers are on pitch-counts. 120 max....and most of them are world-class athletes.

MLB pitchers are expected to last 162 games and 200 plus compared to 50 innings maybe in high school



If a pitcher has thrown 100 pitches in five innings and he has limited his opponents to two hits and one walk, he has worked a stress-free game. In a case like that, 100 pitches will not take a significant toll on a pitcher's arm. However, if the pitcher has thrown 100 pitches in 2 2/3 innings and he has given up eight hits and four runs, that may take a huge toll. In one case, the coach may be justified in leaving his pitcher in the game and in the other case he should take him out. Pitch count is a factor but it is only one of many. I think HOF Coach Block deserves a little more benefit in understanding than all of you 'arm chair pitchers' are giving him credit for.


Hall of fame ex college pitching coach..
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But to be fair, they are talking 139/141 pitches and you are refering to 100. I did post something on the statewide baseball board to see what others think about this and pitch counts.

Coach Block is a great coach, and his long term record speaks for itself.
That however does not mean that every decision he makes should not be questioned or discussed.

I wondered so looked into it. HE is W 323 ...L 118 0.732% on the site I found and assume that did not include this year. As I said, a very successful coach.
"The name All-Northwest itself means something to readers of the Leader-Telegram." ?????????

It is the "ALL LEADER AREA" team, pure and simple.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

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#169 Posted : Friday, June 01, 2012 11:01:07 AM(UTC)

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But to be fair, they are talking 139/141 pitches and you are refering to 100. I did post something on the statewide baseball board to see what others think about this and pitch counts.

Coach Block is a great coach, and his long term record speaks for itself.
That however does not mean that every decision he makes should not be questioned or discussed.

I wondered so looked into it. HE is W 323 ...L 118 0.732% on the site I found and assume that did not include this year. As I said, a very successful coach.


To be fair I was speaking hypothetically, the number I used was arbitrary. What is interesting to me is that you say a coach's decisions are open to discussion and question. But when I brought up fundamentals being taught in practice you were quick to reprimand me...now it is okay and encouraged?

I think the issue here is about safety of players. Would you agree that not teaching the proper fundamentals puts players at a greater risk of injury? It is clear that the issue here is that people are quick to point fingers at others and say, I can't believe that is going on there. When, in fact, they need to pay closer attention to what is going on - on their own practice/playing fields.
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Buckingham U. Badger wrote:
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But to be fair, they are talking 139/141 pitches and you are refering to 100. I did post something on the statewide baseball board to see what others think about this and pitch counts.

Coach Block is a great coach, and his long term record speaks for itself.
That however does not mean that every decision he makes should not be questioned or discussed.

I wondered so looked into it. HE is W 323 ...L 118 0.732% on the site I found and assume that did not include this year. As I said, a very successful coach.


To be fair I was speaking hypothetically, the number I used was arbitrary. What is interesting to me is that you say a coach's decisions are open to discussion and question. But when I brought up fundamentals being taught in practice you were quick to reprimand me...now it is okay and encouraged?

I think the issue here is about safety of players. Would you agree that not teaching the proper fundamentals puts players at a greater risk of injury? It is clear that the issue here is that people are quick to point fingers at others and say, I can't believe that is going on there. When, in fact, they need to pay closer attention to what is going on - on their own practice/playing fields.


Others were commenting on the 140 pitch area. 40% more than your hypothetical number (100). Where did I reprimand you ? That was not my intent at all. If you took it as such, I am sorry. IMO, no fundamentals overrides the USA Baseball Medical And Safety Advisory Committee Guidelines that suggests that for a 17/18 year old boy. 105 pitches per game for 2 games a week. Studies also suggest that the inj usually takes a while to appear. I totally agree, the safety of players is #1. Why do you think NY limits to 105 ? If 139/141 was cool, ( with proper fundamental training) Why would that not be the norm state/nationwide ? Or are you suggesting that a limited number of coaches, coach pitcher fundamentals well ?
"The name All-Northwest itself means something to readers of the Leader-Telegram." ?????????

It is the "ALL LEADER AREA" team, pure and simple.

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#171 Posted : Friday, June 01, 2012 12:48:44 PM(UTC)
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Coach Block is one of the best coaches around. Brady Schroeder and James Georgakas are pitchers who have been working all throughout the off season. Not only are they in good enough condition to throw 139/141 pitches, they are able to bounce back and be just as effective. Yes MLB pitchers dont throw that many pitches but it is due to the fact that they are expected to throw through a season lasting 162 games. Coach Block knows exaclty what he is doing, he has been here for many years in this position. There is no doubt in my mind that these two pitchers will be back and ready to go for Tuesday. Plus after pitching these pitchers ice to slow swelling in the arm, and also these pitchers run a good amount to get rid of lactic acid that has built up during pitching. Both Ellsworth Coaches know what they are doing!
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3 MBC teams made it to sectionals, congratulations to Somerset, Prescott, and Ellsworth
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Prescott in a nail biter wins 1 - 0 over Fall Creek in 8 innings. Little knocks in Brookshaw after Brookshaw walked and stole second.

Brookshaw came in to pitch the 7th and 8th.

Ellsworth defeats West Salem - good luck to both teams this evening.
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#174 Posted : Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:04:37 PM(UTC)
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Brookshaw walked and then stole second with Lytle getting the game winning RBI. Definitely a nail biter. Both teams had bases loaded opportunities slip away. Very good game. Good luck to Prescott taking on Grantsburg in a few minutes. The Cardinals defeated Grantsburg earlier this season 5-3.
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Ellsworth over West Salem 4-1
Somerset over Spooner 6-2

Ellsworth and Somerset will battle for a trip to State.
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