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So we are arguing semantics?
What if AP chose to call it's POY Mr. Wisconsin Basketball?
For the most part the AP writers did (do) their homework. Most had (have) to select an all-star team in their area, so that research was also used to select the Associated Press All-State team.
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traviswilson wrote:spbb wrote:traviswilson wrote:spbb wrote:Why did Mark miller NOT put this on his front page news? Is it because he did'nt like the selection of Koenig by the Associated Press? That stinks-he's too bias with his Marquette crap.. We've never published the AP All-State list (or Gatorade award). Not sure what your issue is with Mark or why you'd feel the need to post this. Why would I have an issue with Miller? I just thought his not putting that out there was odd thats all. Why do you never post that ? cuz they are competing sports writers and you are not included in the vote? I don't understand. The AP list is highlighted in every paper in the state (while they relegate the Coaches list to barely a mention; even the AP Player of the Year gets a huge article written while Mr. Basketball, the more prestigious of the two, is given a paragraph in a general tourney writeup). It's not like no one knows what the information is. We are not AP members nor do we vote on their awards or in their polls. We partner with the coaches association so it makes sense we publish that info. In the past we have even been told by the AP we couldn't publish their info. Add it all up and we choose not to publish the AP list, just like we don't publish the AP Coaches Poll. And why is the coaches' team more prestigious? One group picks four five-member teams and lists another 45 individuals as honorable mention for 2012-13. That's a total of 65 names. One group picks five teams of 10 or more players on each, one team for each division in the WIAA, and a total of 116 players on its 2012-13 team. If the NCAA college coaches picked their own All-America team, would it be more prestigious than the five-member squad that was announced on Monday? People have argued vehemently on here that more (when it comes to divisions in WIAA) is not better. Why is that true when choosing an all-state team?
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blade wrote:formerscribe wrote:Here's something to mull over:
With vouchers for private and parochial schools being all the rage these days in the state's capitol, what is to preclude people from doing the following:
In a large city, create a charter school with a simple plan: prepare boys and girls to be academically and athletically prepared for NCAA Division 1 classroom/competition. Limit the enrollment to around 200 students, play the best competition throughout the season - regardless of division - and pile up the state tournament trophies and all-state awards for years to come.
Would the WIAA step in then and say, umm, we don't think this is fair and we plan to do something about it? This scenario has nothing to do with vouchers. A charter school with a curriculum that caters to athletes or physical education is a possibility in any SD in the State even without vouchers. Yes, but one of the items that Gov. Walker and his crew in Madison are proposing (not directly, yet) is a board of appointed individuals who would have the power to create charter schools anywhere in the state, without a say from the district's school board. If that were to happen, the school could draw students from anywhere - within a particular district or outside - and receive public funding, whether the local district likes it or not. I guess if I would have stated the following - if someone created a new parochial school? - your intended argument would have been moot.
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Here's something to mull over:
With vouchers for private and parochial schools being all the rage these days in the state's capitol, what is to preclude people from doing the following:
In a large city, create a charter school with a simple plan: prepare boys and girls to be academically and athletically prepared for NCAA Division 1 classroom/competition. Limit the enrollment to around 200 students, play the best competition throughout the season - regardless of division - and pile up the state tournament trophies and all-state awards for years to come.
Would the WIAA step in then and say, umm, we don't think this is fair and we plan to do something about it?
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lmb12 wrote:Hi, everybody. I really enjoy this message board. Every year I sit back, read, learn, and say I’m not going to get involved…yet, for the second year in a row, I feel the need to make a couple comments…even if everyone on here has pretty much made their decisions…  First, some points: 1) I believe Travis asked the question about the privates bussing from other areas. I live in Lake Mills and know for a fact that Lakeside Lutheran does (or did in the past based on who enrolls at the school) have daily busses bringing in students all the way from: Beaver Dam to the north, Madison/Middleton to the west, Whitewater to the south, and all points in-between. Some of these kids were/are good athletes, some were/are not. 2) Conversely, let’s look at Lake Mills public school. Can really good athletes (through open enrollment) from surrounding cities like Fort Atkinson, Watertown, Waterloo or Cottage Grove choose to attend LMHS instead of their own high schools? Sure. Do they? Nope. None that I have ever heard of. Instead, LMHS relies 100% on kids from Lake Mills, Milford, and Aztalan. Booming metropolises for sure. 3) Of course, not EVERY private in a bigger city is going to be a powerhouse. There’s only so much talent to go around….even in Milwaukee. Wausau Newman isn’t going to be a powerhouse because there’s minimal overall basketball talent in Wausau, right? I mean, when’s the last time East/West or Everest made noise at State? 4) Location matters. Remember when Korie Lucious transferred from King to Pius? What’s the absolute, stone cold, number 1 reason he picked Pius? Give up? It’s because Pius was located in Milwaukee, that’s why What’s the odds of him choosing Pius if it was located in: LaCrosse, Algoma, Belleville, or Rhinelander? Zero percent. That's a geographical and demographic advantage for Milwaukee Pius. In your opinion, who’s more likely to get the next Diamond Stone, Duane Wilson, Korie Lucious, or Kwamain Mitchell - Dominican, or Tomahawk? Answer honestly. My final point: Most people believe Jerry Pettigoue is the greatest high school basketball coach in the history of the state. If not THE best, one of the best. As great Jerry Pettigoue has been, he “only” has one State title in the last 22 years. One! In 22 years!! Think about that and I ask you this: How many titles would Pettigoue have if he coached in a similar Division at, say, Dominican or St Catherine’s? Two? Four? Five? More?? Why is that? You know the answer. Is it because those feeder programs have more dedicated parents and better coaches? Or is it because those feeder programs have more POTENTIAL stud athletes than Cuba City, or Kieler, or wherever the Cubans come from? I’ll let you decide. Thanks. As I used to say in the 1970s, "Right on!"
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buzzerbeater2 wrote:Has anyone ever come up with a population map, like "Team A from this city draws from a population base of X. If team B could draw from the same number, their radius would be this big"? Would be interesting to see. Also, I like maps and pretty colors. I can save everyone the time and effort: The Milwaukee-to-Racine population is slightly more than 2 million, and the population for the entire state is 5 million plus. ONe could draw some very, very large circles around the small rural publics in the state to equal the number of potential students (i.e. athletes) at the SE metro schools.
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"I'd like to see them ban OE for athletics (except for extenuating circumstances.)"
In essence, the WIAA and its member schools have "banned" OE for athletics. Proving said offense, however, is an ever expanding gray area that in most cases leads to time and money spent on court cases.
The WIAA - first under Chickering - spent more than a decade "considering" options to make all the public and private, small town and metropolitan, hicks and city slickers happy. Adding divisions pleased some, placated others and left still others wanting more.
Nothing will ever change overnight. It appears the WIAA's hope is dissent on any level will eventually all just go away.
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peckulease wrote:2miler wrote:trophyguy wrote:Here's a gem to add fuel to the fire. A reliable source has told me that Rice Lake's Henry Ellenson is transferring next year to Eau Claire Regis. I'm not saying he was recruited, but like Reggie White going to GB, God told him to go there. I just must be naive about high school basketball in western Wisconsin. I wouldn't know Henry Ellenson from Henry Ellard but a quick look at the Rice Lake team page tells me he averaged 21.5 points a game and 18.5 rebounds(pretty impressive where I come from). His team won their conference in undefeated fashion(also impressive) and they were eliminated in their sectional by a Matt Thomas(him I know) led Onalaska team.(crap happens but Mr. T will be in Iowa next March) Am I missing something? Why on earth would this kid trade all that success and leave behind all the relationships he's developed with teammates, teachers and chemistry classmates for a spot on Regis' roster? It would appear to me that the table is set for a run on rice cakes at the Kohl Center if he sticks around in 2014. Will someone help this hayseed (thats me, not him) understand? Henry Ellenson has scholarship offers from Marquette, Georgetown, and Minnesota among others. He is ranked nationally in every player rankings I see. His older brother Wally is a freshman for the Gophers in Minnesota. Wally played his freshman season at Eau Claire Memorial before a mess occurred which led to a lawsuit against the school that was ultimitly dropped. The family then packed up and went to Rice Lake. So there is an Eau Claire connection here. Not to mention if you teamed him up with Billy Wampler, Logan R(not even going to attempt his last name) who I have saw in person shoot something like 8-9 from three point range in a game against Spring Valley, Regis could punch their ticket to Madison as there isn't a school in D4 on this side of the state that could stop them. Because AAU plays a major role in recruiting and the fact that he is already known nationally, he wouldn't really be hurting himself if he dd enroll at Regis. With all that said, I said it before and I will say it again, I seriously doubt it will happen. With regard to fact and not rumors: The Ellensons chose to leave Memorial and return to their still unsold home in Rice Lake - the boys transferred on the first official day of practice - the lawsuit was filed months later and eventually fizzled away.
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